borax

[bob]

Can someone tell me what the deal is with Borax and bedbugs? I always
feel better when I launder my clothes with it. I'm wondering why
people don't use it on the bedposts and what not like Drione. I'm
pretty sure it's safer and suspect it may be more effective.

[Lar]

On 6 Oct 2004 07:23:05 -0700, ***@gmail.com (bob) wrote:

:) Can someone tell me what the deal is with Borax and bedbugs? I always
:) feel better when I launder my clothes with it. I'm wondering why
:) people don't use it on the bedposts and what not like Drione. I'm
:) pretty sure it's safer and suspect it may be more effective.

I believe Borax is a category I toxin with the signal word
Danger...Drione is a category III toxin with the signal word Caution.
Borax will be a heavier crystal that may not spread out as well as
drione which will flow rather well. Borax will have some dissicant
traits but Drione will be more so and with the powdered pyrethrin
added it will be a rather quick kill with initial contact after it is
applied . Borates when used in the pure form aren't really the less
toxic choices to use compared to other insecticides, even though you
will see it pronounced that way all over various web forums.



Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!


While looking in the mirror a bit ago,
I noticed that I look more like myself
now than I did a while back.

[Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH]

Post by Lar
I believe Borax is a category I toxin with the signal word
Danger...Drione is a category III toxin with the signal word Caution.

Huh? From what I've got here, Borax's LD50 in rats is around 5,000mg/kg,
with no eveidence of carcinogenic or teratogenic effects. That's not very
darn toxic, and pretty much the same as what's shown for Drione.

Everything I see on it does show DANGER, (which should mean .5-50mg/kg) but
the data just doesn't back that up.

[Lar]

On 06 Oct 2004 19:49:57 GMT, "Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH"
<***@yahoo.spam.com> wrote:

:) Huh? From what I've got here, Borax's LD50 in rats is around 5,000mg/kg,
:) with no eveidence of carcinogenic or teratogenic effects. That's not very
:) darn toxic, and pretty much the same as what's shown for Drione.
:)
:) Everything I see on it does show DANGER, (which should mean .5-50mg/kg) but
:) the data just doesn't back that up.

From http://infoventures.com/e-hlth/pestcide/borax.html the product
Sporax which is 100% Borax ..... Reported effects: Symptoms of
poisoning include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. In
children, swallowing 5 to 10 grams can cause shockand death. Borax is
rapidly absorbed through damaged skin.....

Signal word and definition:
Sporax - DANGER - HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED.

The Sporax label.. http://www.cdms.net/ldat/ld1NU004.pdf


From http://www.uiowa.edu/~chemsafe/MSDS/Borax.html

Signal Word: WARNING!
LD50-LC50 Mixture: LD50: (ORAL, RAT) 2660 MG/KG

<shrugging>
The surest thing to do would be to ask for a MSDS from the manufactuer
from what ever product you are using to know for sure.


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Post by Lar
:) Can someone tell me what the deal is with Borax and bedbugs? I always
:) feel better when I launder my clothes with it. I'm wondering why
:) people don't use it on the bedposts and what not like Drione. I'm
:) pretty sure it's safer and suspect it may be more effective.
I believe Borax is a category I toxin with the signal word
Danger...Drione is a category III toxin with the signal word Caution.
Borax will be a heavier crystal that may not spread out as well as
drione which will flow rather well. Borax will have some dissicant
traits but Drione will be more so and with the powdered pyrethrin
added it will be a rather quick kill with initial contact after it is
applied . Borates when used in the pure form aren't really the less
toxic choices to use compared to other insecticides, even though you
will see it pronounced that way all over various web forums.
Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!
While looking in the mirror a bit ago,
I noticed that I look more like myself
now than I did a while back.

Thanks for this little eye opener.

[bob]

I use Borax to launder my clothes. If Drione is safer, can I use that
in the laundry?

Post by Lar
:) Can someone tell me what the deal is with Borax and bedbugs? I always
:) feel better when I launder my clothes with it. I'm wondering why
:) people don't use it on the bedposts and what not like Drione. I'm
:) pretty sure it's safer and suspect it may be more effective.
I believe Borax is a category I toxin with the signal word
Danger...Drione is a category III toxin with the signal word Caution.
Borax will be a heavier crystal that may not spread out as well as
drione which will flow rather well. Borax will have some dissicant
traits but Drione will be more so and with the powdered pyrethrin
added it will be a rather quick kill with initial contact after it is
applied . Borates when used in the pure form aren't really the less
toxic choices to use compared to other insecticides, even though you
will see it pronounced that way all over various web forums.
Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!
While looking in the mirror a bit ago,
I noticed that I look more like myself
now than I did a while back.

[Happybattles]

Post by Lar
:) Can someone tell me what the deal is with Borax and bedbugs? I always
:) feel better when I launder my clothes with it. I'm wondering why
:) people don't use it on the bedposts and what not like Drione. I'm
:) pretty sure it's safer and suspect it may be more effective.
I believe Borax is a category I toxin with the signal word
Danger...Drione is a category III toxin with the signal word Caution.
Borax will be a heavier crystal that may not spread out as well as
drione which will flow rather well. Borax will have some dissicant
traits but Drione will be more so and with the powdered pyrethrin
added it will be a rather quick kill with initial contact after it is
applied . Borates when used in the pure form aren't really the less
toxic choices to use compared to other insecticides, even though you
will see it pronounced that way all over various web forums.
Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!
While looking in the mirror a bit ago,
I noticed that I look more like myself
now than I did a while back.

TimBor and Nibor-D both have CAUTION key-words. Neither is listed for
begbugs. That's because of two reasons:

1) Bedbugs don't groom themselves.
2) Bedbugs need to eat the boric acid, which acts as a stomach-poison.
It CAN dessicate of suffocate them, but it's main purpose is as a
stomach poison.

It is a low-toxicity product with an LD50 of 2250mg/kg. That means in
the rats tested, 50% of the rats died when they recieved 2250
milligrams of pure Boric Acid per Kilogram they weighed.

Just think about Aspirin: 2000 milligrams, no matter how much you
weigh, can kill you.

[Lar]

On 7 Oct 2004 13:56:25 -0700, ***@yahoo.com (Happybattles)
wrote:

:) TimBor and Nibor-D both have CAUTION key-words. Neither is listed for
:) begbugs. That's because of two reasons:

They may carry the caution label due to they are used at a 15% and
10% solutions and not at 98%-100% purity as will borax and boric acid
dusts. Ld50 of cypermethrin may be as low as 300 mg/kg (bad) in
concentrate but when used at the working .1% solution will be >120,000
mg/kg (not so bad)


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